tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811556140606524073.post4218093383099882853..comments2024-03-24T01:57:23.238+08:00Comments on 漁人碼頭的戰爭 - The Battle of Fisherman's Wharf: The rest of DanshuiUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811556140606524073.post-66557696819030371202011-01-05T21:25:51.144+08:002011-01-05T21:25:51.144+08:00It is Ishi"d"oro - sorry for the typo.
...It is Ishi"d"oro - sorry for the typo. <br /><br />Sure, let's get together. I am reachable at hmcheng542@msn.comEyeDochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00406602265159523372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811556140606524073.post-40898422007589691452011-01-05T15:16:04.017+08:002011-01-05T15:16:04.017+08:00oops, color pic of the Railroad Hotel is here:
h...oops, color pic of the Railroad Hotel is here:<br /> <br />http://taipics.com/taipei1.php<br /><br />The previous link is just B/W.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811556140606524073.post-5048858542502360722011-01-05T15:12:20.925+08:002011-01-05T15:12:20.925+08:00Thank you Eyedoc for your explaination. For your r...Thank you Eyedoc for your explaination. For your reference, I posted the photos of the Ishiroro here (taken last week at the Flower Expo):<br /><br />http://taipics.com/ishiroro.php<br /><br />If needed, there are many old photos of the Taipei Shrine here:<br /><br />http://taipics.com/taipei_shrine.php<br />http://taipics.com/bridges.php<br /><br />One thing that I've never seen are construction photos of the Grand Hotel. I think that would be an interesting story to tell if you ever have the chance to come across any information on that building.(I remember the roof fire in 1995.) Another interesting building in Taipei was the Railroad Hotel, now the site of the ShinKong Building near the train station. Some photos can be found at these links. <br /><br />http://taipics.com/hotels.php (color pic)<br />http://taipics.com/hotel_tags.php<br />http://taipics.com/taipei_gates.php (map)<br /><br />A brief reference to the 1945 bombing raid that destroyed the hotel can be found here:<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_on_Taipei<br /><br />Lastly, I posted your Shrine comments here:<br /><br />http://taipics.com/tainan3.php<br /><br />I edited them somewhat, I hope it is acceptable to you. (and Scott)<br /><br />Thanks again, EyeDoc. I am in Danshui often, perhaps we can have coffee or a beer together sometime in the future? <br /><br />~marcAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811556140606524073.post-55234867061425573162011-01-03T22:02:43.723+08:002011-01-03T22:02:43.723+08:00Hi Marc,
I thought the demise of the Taiwan Jinja...Hi Marc,<br /><br />I thought the demise of the Taiwan Jinja was pretty well-known. Maybe not then. I'll post something about it soon. Ishiroro = stone lantern, not concrete - most were erected by donors whose names would appear on the base. The old Taipei bridge did not have any ishidoros, so what you have found is probably from the Jinja itself. I am surprised that it is preserved at all.<br /><br />And you are welcome to use the comments on your site.EyeDochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00406602265159523372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811556140606524073.post-29169270183775551712011-01-03T17:33:08.404+08:002011-01-03T17:33:08.404+08:00"Part of this jinja was destroyed when an air..."Part of this jinja was destroyed when an airplane crashed into it while attempting to land in the now Song-shan airport (in 1944, I think)".<br /><br />~Wow, that would be a very interesting story to learn about! <br /><br />~Also, I noticed recently there is a large Shinto concrete light behind the Police Station ~ (Old Taipei Zoo area - across from the Fine Arts Museum) on ChungShan N. Road in Taipei. Would you happen to know if it was from the old Taipei bridge or shrine? Just curious. <br /><br /><br />EyeDoc, I would like to add your Tainan shrine comments to my Taipics/Tainan page, would that be ok with you?<br /><br />-marcAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811556140606524073.post-82574448812861135372010-12-16T15:46:09.205+08:002010-12-16T15:46:09.205+08:00Yep, that's the one, west of Confucius Temple ...Yep, that's the one, west of Confucius Temple on No 2 忠義路二段. Across the street is the underground parking garage where the original jinja hall was located. Inside the gate of the elementary school, on the left there is still an old Japanese house which was the original jinja 休憩所 (rest place).EyeDochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00406602265159523372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811556140606524073.post-56072383620624655162010-12-16T13:25:28.403+08:002010-12-16T13:25:28.403+08:00Sorry, I meant the WEST sideSorry, I meant the WEST sideScotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03882498887460172298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811556140606524073.post-86322310432306784952010-12-16T13:24:00.207+08:002010-12-16T13:24:00.207+08:00You mean the elementary school which is on the eas...You mean the elementary school which is on the east side of the Confucious temple? I know that area quite well. Very interesting, thanks for the info.Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03882498887460172298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811556140606524073.post-53893704603450865212010-12-16T03:48:44.922+08:002010-12-16T03:48:44.922+08:00Very impressive collection. Thank you very much.
...Very impressive collection. Thank you very much.<br /><br />The Tainan Shrine is no more. Part of it is now 公十一parking garage. And the rest is on the grounds of 忠義國小. This shrine honored 北白川宮能久親王, who in 1895 led the Royal Guards in invading Taiwan. He died from either injuries or cholera soon after Tainan surrendered.EyeDochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00406602265159523372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811556140606524073.post-5274245839047497832010-12-16T03:15:05.053+08:002010-12-16T03:15:05.053+08:00, I may not have labeled them correctly as to loca..., I may not have labeled them correctly as to location.<br /><br /><br />Shinto shrines around Taiwan<br /><br />http://www.flickr.com/photos/21506490@N00/sets/72157625605584802/<br /><br />past-and-present composites<br /><br />http://www.flickr.com/photos/21506490@N00/sets/72157602583636536/<br /><br />Old Tainan<br /><br />http://www.flickr.com/photos/21506490@N00/sets/72157594172826399/Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03882498887460172298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811556140606524073.post-4816501057242114642010-12-16T03:05:02.954+08:002010-12-16T03:05:02.954+08:00作者已經移除這則留言。Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03882498887460172298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811556140606524073.post-8741168261279077422010-12-16T00:00:20.978+08:002010-12-16T00:00:20.978+08:00Hi Scott,
You are certainly very knowledgeable an...Hi Scott,<br /><br />You are certainly very knowledgeable and well-traveled to boot. Jinja神社, loosely translated, is a village of gods, 100% Shindo. The Japanese emperors trace their origin back to the creators of the world, i.e., they are descendants of the gods. Shindo is essentially a way of preserving the "mandate from Heaven", common claim of rulers in Asia. The establishment of 神社s in Taiwan served two purposes: (1) to show who the boss was and (2) to indoctrinate the conquered that the emperor was the supreme being who therefore must be obeyed. So you are correct, by the 1920s, 神社s were erected everywhere. The one in Danshui was started a little late in 1939; although another smaller but not officially sanctioned one was in existence since 1906. <br /><br />The officially sanctioned 神社s were far larger and better constructed of course. After 1945, in an effort to erase the presence of Japan in Taiwan, symbols of the Japanese rule, i.e., the 神社s therefore must be destroyed. The ones you have visited all have been altered ranging from minimal defacing to only remnants of old structures.<br /><br />The one in Taoyuan has escaped demolition possibly because the immediate post-war chief of Taoyuan county was a teacher of Japanese language in the colonial era who had the discretion of how (not) to convert it to a Martyrs' Memorial.<br /><br />The rest including the one in Danshui did not fare so well. Most have been re-built as MMs:<br /><br />嘉義: only some stone lions, ishidoros and a small building are preserved.<br /><br />旗山: now a Confucian temple.<br /><br />YiLan: the torii was re-labeled 忠烈門, and the main hall re-built as an MM.<br /><br />"In Taipei, I know there was a big shrine on 中華南路, a couple of blocks south of 西門町,also on 芝山,and on 南海路, adjacent to the (present) History Museum and the Botanical Gardens. And the biggest in the Taipei area was at the site of the Grand Hotel at 圓山, right?"<br /><br />(1) No, the one on 中華南路 had long disappeared which was adjacent to the red brick building, the latter started out as a market place.<br />(2) The one in 芝山 is now a library of sorts.<br />(3) The one on 南海路 was rebuilt into 南海 Academy, only a small part of the original bridge can still be seen.<br />(4) Indeed the Grand Hotel was built on the site where the Taiwan Jinja once was. Only some stone lions are still there. Part of this jinja was destroyed when an airplane crashed into it while attempting to land in the now Song-shan airport (in 1944, I think).<br /><br />"I also think I'm right in saying that the main Shinto shrine in Tainan became the Koxinga shrine."<br /><br />No, this is incorrect. The Shindo shrine was based the Koxinga Temple built by 沈葆禎 [Governor of Taiwan] in 1874. In 1896, it was converted into the first jinja in Taiwan although it still honored Koxinga and his Japanese mother. After the war, it was reverted to the now 延平郡王祠.<br /><br />Thanks for the interesting comments. "Tokyo Story" is also one of my favorites, BTW.EyeDochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00406602265159523372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811556140606524073.post-90522406415402542242010-12-15T16:26:38.888+08:002010-12-15T16:26:38.888+08:00So, there was a Shinto shrine in 淡水? I didn't ...So, there was a Shinto shrine in 淡水? I didn't know that. <br /><br />I sort of assumed that by the 1920s, pretty much any town of any size in Taiwan had a Shinto shrine. Is that right?<br /><br />Actually, I don't know anything about Japanese shrines. Were they all "Shinto"? <br /><br />I've seen one in TaoYuan that is apparently more-or-less intact and in the original form. How did it escape destruction in the late 1940s? Why wasn't it razed and replaced with an ugly concrete structure?? Strange.<br /><br />I think there was a big Japanese shrine in the middle of what today is the big city park in 嘉義, also in 旗山. <br /><br />In Taipei, I know there was a big shrine on 中華南路, a couple of blocks south of 西門町,also on 芝山,and on 南海路, adjacent to the (present) History Museum and the Botanical Gardens. And the biggest in the Taipei area was at the site of the Grand Hotel at 圓山, right? <br /><br />I also think I'm right in saying that the main Shinto shrine in Tainan became the Koxinga shrine.<br /><br />Also, I think I have heard that in many cases, the "martyrs' shrines" (that one sees in many cities in Taiwan today) were also originally Shino shrines. I was told that was the origin of the Martyrs' Shrine in YiLan.Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03882498887460172298noreply@blogger.com