tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811556140606524073.post4894051942966946194..comments2024-03-24T01:57:23.238+08:00Comments on 漁人碼頭的戰爭 - The Battle of Fisherman's Wharf: 清日甲午戰爭 (1894-5)Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811556140606524073.post-25268542082633216902015-08-11T02:12:24.235+08:002015-08-11T02:12:24.235+08:00Warfare is a fascinating subject. Despite the dubi...Warfare is a fascinating subject. Despite the dubious morality of using violence to achieve personal or political aims. It remains that conflict has been used to do just that throughout recorded history.<br /><br />Your article is very well done, a good read.GREAT MILITARY BATTLEShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01861516378064000468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811556140606524073.post-81995192713720427512010-09-28T04:14:13.286+08:002010-09-28T04:14:13.286+08:00Dear TA,
Indeed the past aggression of Japan agai...Dear TA,<br /><br />Indeed the past aggression of Japan against its neighbors still as repercussions even today.<br /><br />Unfortunately, the "get along well someday" is probably long ways off. As long as the nationalism is exploited by those in power, this day will never come. <br /><br />Thanks for posting the interesting and thoughtful comments.EyeDochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00406602265159523372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811556140606524073.post-26719277152179222872010-09-27T11:53:11.209+08:002010-09-27T11:53:11.209+08:00Interesting story!
From the Shimonoseki Treaty, i...Interesting story!<br /><br />From the Shimonoseki Treaty, it clearly indicates Japan's intention for the war: Lands (朝鮮, 遼東半島, 台湾, and 澎湖諸島) and profits (a favor trade status & profits from war). <br /><br />Obviously, Japan was determined and well-prepared; while Qing was passive, confused, and not-ready. Therefore, Japan was able to win the war decisively and get what they wanted. <br /><br />I think either Japan's victory or Qing's failure had their respective geopolitical reason. Japan's society was fitter at that time for a drastic reform to adapt the western culture and technology and to unite under 明治天皇 as a whole country bearing the same goal; on the contrary, Qing's deeply-rooted feudal concept and customs forbad a similar reform, and therefore, the country became even more divided and improper. <br /><br />It is noted that this formidable 聯合艦隊 of Japan that destroyed Qing's 北洋艦隊 was eventually destroyed by the U.S. Navy at the Battle of Leyte Gulf (see http://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-tw/雷伊泰灣海戰), from Oct 20 to 26, 1944.<br /><br />Japan's expansion ends at WWII. Today, Japan has returned all the lands that she has captured after this 甲午戰爭, and Qing, now China, is still struggling to find ways of reform.<br /><br />No matter what, I'm a strong believer that Japan, China, and Korea can someday get along well.<br /><br />-- TAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811556140606524073.post-71999898454022585662009-11-15T22:28:01.426+08:002009-11-15T22:28:01.426+08:00Actually, the French should be proud of the perfor...Actually, the French should be proud of the performance of their Fusiliers Marins in the Battle of Fisherman's Wharf. In the face of overwhelming Qing man- and fire-power, their retreat was quite orderly with only minimal losses. On the other hand, the marines did figure it was going to be a picnic when they landed on the beach.<br /><br />The Japanese did run into fierce local reistance. The Taiwanese people had revolted numerous times during the Qing era. They were not going to take this takover lying down. Isn't there a recent movie "1895" or something similar which is based on the fights in Hsin-chu? A fairly accurate historical account, I heard.EyeDochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00406602265159523372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811556140606524073.post-83489881144184588022009-11-15T20:51:51.981+08:002009-11-15T20:51:51.981+08:00"Not only the Chinese leadership but also the..."Not only the Chinese leadership but also the prominent Taiwanese businessmen all of whom escaped to Mainland China leaving the common folks behind to fend for themselves." Yes, the half-mountain people. A lot of them then reappeared 50 years later on the coattails of the KMT, after the US had cleared the Japanese out of Taiwan. Lien Chan (連戰) is descended from them.<br /><br />"The French military used the same sorry face-saving excuse that "General Disease" defeated them in Taiwan in the Sino-French War. If you buy it, I have this bridge in Brooklyn..." Yeah, okay. I agree this era deserves another look.Patrick Cowsillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12904899672214340947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811556140606524073.post-2915424435842942502009-11-15T20:20:47.519+08:002009-11-15T20:20:47.519+08:00Hi Patrick,
You of course realize that you are t...Hi Patrick, <br /><br />You of course realize that you are talking several books' worth of topics. <br /><br />1. Ting: Yes, instruction on how to run the two battleships built in New Castle - not how to fight the Japanese Navy. Ting is still a controversial figure in China, BTW.<br /><br />2. Not only the Chinese leadership but also the prominent Taiwanese businessmen all of whom escaped to Mainland China leaving the common folks behind to fend for themselves. Notice I have mentioned Taiwanese (as opposed to Chinese) resistance?<br /><br />3. Ku's greeting the Japanese in Keelung is well-known. The main gate of Taipei was, however, opened by a local woman - to let the Japanese army in. She later received commendation from the Japanese. <br /><br />4. No westerners were able to foretell what the Japanese rule would accomplish. It was more a hope that the Japanese could do better than the previous administration. A vast span in Japan itself, e.g., Hokkaido, remained under-developed. Japan was hardly a model of modernization. The Japanese were far more interested in farming Taiwan's rich natural resources - using Japan-managed local talents and labor.<br /><br />5. The French military used the same sorry face-saving excuse that "General Disease" defeated them in Taiwan in the Sino-French War. If you buy it, I have this bridge in Brooklyn...EyeDochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00406602265159523372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811556140606524073.post-13040349398005744862009-11-15T18:19:53.521+08:002009-11-15T18:19:53.521+08:00Interesting, especially about Ting. Did he go to E...Interesting, especially about Ting. Did he go to England to receive instruction? I would say that you're overstating the fierce resistance to the Japanese. There were pockets of resistance, like in the south under Lin Shao Mao outside of Kaohsiung. But I also understand that there were 50,000 Chinese troops stationed in Taiwan under Governor Tang. They couldn't get to the ports and out of Taiwan soon enough, and did their fair share of looting on the way.<br /><br />Prominent Taiwanese businessmen, or so the story goes, met incoming Japanese at the docks and escorted them into Taipei. Westerners were also pro-Japan in the early days as the Japanese were a lot more qualified to modernize Taiwan than the incompetent Ching Dynasty rulers. <br /><br />Five months of fierce resistance? Do you know who Taiwan's greatest resistance leader was? Good old General Disease. The Japanese soldiers couldn't cope with tropical diseases.Patrick Cowsillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12904899672214340947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811556140606524073.post-45941034783031616692009-11-14T10:13:44.906+08:002009-11-14T10:13:44.906+08:00Have no idea. I did notice some young ones speak b...Have no idea. I did notice some young ones speak both, to be competitive in the trade world, I guess. <br /><br />Incidentally, there is a special exhibition on the past Japanese life in Danshui「滬道日安-日本年特展」starting on Nov 9:<br />http://www.tshs.tpc.gov.tw/tai2_32_2.asp?I1b_sn=398<br /><br />And a special event: 重建街創意市集 on Nov 14/15:<br />http://itamsuimarket.blogspot.com/2009/11/11dm.html<br />(Nov 14 is rained out, BTW.)EyeDochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00406602265159523372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811556140606524073.post-6554345781688246462009-11-14T03:56:07.522+08:002009-11-14T03:56:07.522+08:00A great story, just wonder how many readers are fl...A great story, just wonder how many readers are fluent in both Japanese and English. <br />Cho-SanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com